[sunny72]

Wait, is it this guy?

then:
http://liveaid.free.fr/rewind/bbc/im...rdjones/01.jpg
http://www.alumni.utah.edu/u-news/no...ward_jones.jpg
and now:
http://www.podmusic411.com/images/howardjones.jpg
this one's cute:
http://www.howardjones.com/images/2005/HJ-Image-F.jpg

[jencat215]

Oh no Heidi! Why did you have to show me that photo! The mullet!!! How horrible! I think you may have shattered my fantasy! This is tragic. What am I going to do!!!

Yes, sad to say it is Howard. But those aren't his best photos...

I think I will go take a nap....

[designdiva32]

Lol...love the mullet pictures...he really isn't the prettiest boy is he? hehe

Firstly, Shawna.....WELCOME BACK!! I'm sorry to hear your aren't feeling well with the medication, but at least they know now whats been going on. Its annoying they didn't tell you sooner though, I can definately understand your frustration with that. Is it worth seeing other RE's just to compare notes maybe? I was doing that after the miscarriage, although I decided to stick with my old clinic in the end anyway as they have the better statistics. Either way, I'm glad your here to chat to again.

Jen, I never really understand this whole follicle thing or how it works, but when RE did the ultrasound he said to the nurse that I had two small ones on one side and one on the other. I honestly thought you only ever had one follicle growing...so what does three little ones mean? Does one of them become the dominant one or something? Very confusing. Meanwhile, I'm taking the Letrozole for a couple more days and I have to say I have absolutely no symptoms. Its really great. I've heard all this stuff about Clomid mood swings etc, but I have none of that. Maybe its not working? Guess I'll find out on Tuesday. Oh, and if you put your pictures on...I'll do mine too. Deal? Good.

Sunny, Peachy, I also had the nurse do the 'pad check' when I had my D&C. If I hadn't been so out of it I would have freaked out completely. Its almost like once you get pregnant, or even just TTC, your body is no longer just yours. I guess in a way its not though is it? Currently, Aiden (I LOVE that name) is also sharing Rachaels, and I bet hes all warm and happy in there too! Hun, you never have to worry about sharing with us anything and everything you are going through on this journey. From 'pad checks' to diaper changes....we wanna hear about them all! We are a little team here looking out for each other, and you are always there for us Miss Peachy. So promise no more guilt...okay?

By the way, Sunny, thats really exciting about maybe doing your FET next cycle. I just know this one will work and be very very sticky. I'm not holding out too much hope for my IUI's, but I kinda have to try them before moving to IVF as my RE thinks I'm still young enough to take a few more months before doing that. Still....heres some for us all as after this last two months I think we all need a swimming pool of the stuff!

[Angelwithhope]

Thanks for the welcome back Alana! I don't think I'll seek out another RE as I've heard that Calgary is the best REs in the game in canada and I feel very comfortable with her and think maybe it was a case that it could have gone either way. At least she didn't argue about the genetic testing and clotting testing so that's good. I think if I tried to find an RE closer to us in Saskatchewan, it would be a total waste. (they like to take two months off int eh summer to golf, if you all remember! lol) Plus the doctors here really don't seem to be as on top of the game as they are back home.....home....*sigh* I miss home! lol.

I had the pad check thing happen to me as well with the first miscarriage but at that point I was hurting so badly and writhering in pain that I couldn't have cared less. Plus, I try to tell myself that they've seen so many vaginas and all the stuff that goes with it that they're not going to remember mine from the next lady's! lol.

We got a unpleasant suprise pregnancy announcement last night. The nerve of some people and the lack of tact that is used astounds me. She is a brides maid from our wedding and this is her second pregnancy since our wedding. (they have two kids already, the second is barely one years old!) And just the way she told me "I'm pregnant! I'm six weeks along!" I couldn't help but just cry! Thank the Lord it was over MSN messanger so she couldn't see me cry. I did my best to congratulate her but I had to let her go and leave the computer ASAP!

I'm just getting so sick of everything to do with IF and now that we're on our "break" I just want it to be over and us doing IVF and having twins or something! lol. Grrr. Anyways, I haven't really had anyone to tell this to...hense the reason why I'm babbling now. LOL.

[designdiva32]

Shawna, I HATE the surprise pregnancy announcements! My sister has three kids and her last one, little Mia, nearly broke me completely. I honestly kept thinking 'Why not me??'. The thing that got me back to earth was my sisters very kind offer to be a surrogate should IUI/IVF turn out not to work, and if I can't carry a pregnancy to term. It was really kind so I feel much better about it all now. It still always hurts though...and the worst are the people who already have kids and aren't even trying. I just want to hit them!!

Anyway, I agree you should stay with the RE you trust. I only looked around for another clinic when I felt my RE wasn't very good at the bedside manner. Anyway, when I did find another one, the RE was really nice but the clinic was so ridiculously busy that it actually felt like cattle being shoved through. It was horrendous! So I went back to my old RE at the original place and since then he has been really kind and considerate so I'm glad to stay with them.

In the meantime, don't give up on IVF happening yet hun. Things will work out...and maybe Calgary will do what Michelle said awhile ago and make IVF free to everyone. I'm keeping my that they do. In fact, I'm moving there when that happens!

[Angelwithhope]

Yes the suprise was that at one time I asked her so when will you try for the third so that i could prepare myself. She told me, not for a very, very, very long time. Guess that very long time couldn't come soon enough for them! Their children are beautiful and a blessing but like you I just can't help but think "what did I do that was so wrong that all our babies die??" I'm having such a Why me moment with it.

My DH went out to meet up with his mom and sister. (MIL and FIL have the money that we could do IVF at this moment if they'd just stop being selfish.) I refused to go as SIL has a baby that she had no trouble concieving while she was here for our wedding two years ago! And I must add the last time I saw them, I cried for days afterwards and I'm already feeling crappy so I thought why bring anyone else down with me! KWim?

My DH applied for two jobs with Telus back home...we'll see if he gets them. If he does we could be moving sooner and then do IUI instead...we're not sure and still waiting for our blood tests to come back. I'm hoping there is nothing there but I won't rule it out because it seems like to me that once nothing can get worse it does.

So Alana, you're back on the roller coaster hey? Going for an IUI soon? I'm sorry I haven't kept up with everyone...I've just been so out of it!

Wishing you all the very best!!

[sunny72]

Jen, sorry!! ... didn't mean to shatter your fantasies! I thought on the last one he was a real cutie-pie!! We've all had bad feathered looks some time in our past right!! if it would make you feel better, I'll post one of me and then his won't look as bad!!

Shawna, I'm sorry about the surprise pregnancy announcement. These things can really throw you. The worst it was for me was when our 2nd IUI was cancelled due to DH has NO sperm in his specimen. I stood there on the day of my IUI blinking as the nurse told me that. I was all ready to get inseminated darn it and instead got sent away and told to have sex! Great, like we haven't been doing that for the six years we were married. He had been hospitalised the month before with a fever of 105 for a week, so that was why he had the zero count that time. I had been depressed for about a year and wasnt functioning like a stable human anymore. IF just ripped me apart. Shortly after our IUI was cancelled, my best friend called to say that she was pregnant and wasn't planning on keeping it and soon after she wasn't pregnant anymore. Then we got the call from my SIL that she was pregnant again, and I just sobbed my heart out. I didn't congratulate her (which i regret now) but just wanted to avoid ALL phone contact (luckily we lived in another state). But the nice ending to my story was that we did conceive on our own three months later... we didn't believe it. We found out after we moved back to MA from FL to get insurance for IVF. Turns out we wouldn't have been covered for IVF through DH insurance anyway ...duh). I guess I just wanted to say, don't give up hope when it seems hopeless. I have faith your turn will come soon too. I really do feel your pain, and wish I could speed it all up for you, the waiting is the worst.

[Angelwithhope]

Thanks Sunny!

Today just seems to go from bad to worse. Dh isn't talking ot his father right now because dear old dad said some rather nasty things to us about our miscarriage and about us not having kids. (LIke that we shouldn't! A-hole!) anyways, today DH learns that wonderful dear old dad, bought a boat! Money that could have went towards IVF went towards a freakin boat! I mean did they not learn how badly IF affects a person when SIL and BIL went through IF for four years and concieved through IVF. But apparently a boat would bring him more joy then knowing that we have a chance to have the family that we have been struggling for, for three years. I pray to God that the metformin helps us concieve naturally and quickly after we are finished with our break. I feel so empty lately, especially right now.

[sunny72]

Shawna, your FIL sounds like a selfish dink!! I'm sorry he doesn't understand, doesn't offer some kind of financial assistance and can't filter his insensitive comments.

[Angelwithhope]

That's exactly him in a nut shell! I just went and had a good cry. I still don't feel better but letting it out was a start. I just don't understand buying a boat because MIL is afraid of going in boats....infact she hates them!!

[jencat215]

Aw Shawna...that really stinks. Out of all of my and DH's cousins, we are the only ones in our generation that do not have kids, except for 1 that never wanted them and another that just got engaged... I hope your DH gets the job he applied for.

Heidi- post that photo of your 80s hairdo!!! Yeah, he is a cutie in that other photo...

Alana- when I went in for my CD2 u/s they found 6 follies, 3 on each side. They told me that for IUI they would like to see at least 10. Well, on CD12 I only had 1 major one (I think 2 minor ones). I think the rest do get reassorbed back into your body and 1 follie dominates, unless the medications work on more than one. I was on 100mg of clomid, the highest dose I had been on, and only got one. And that one worked (well....).

I will try and post one of those pics of me Alana so you have to post yours. Right now I gotta go help DH with dinner (late dinner, again.). He is making chicken pesto (from basil from a friend's garden) with risotto. I wash the pots and pans

[Angelwithhope]

Out of all our siblings we are the only ones who can't get and stay pregnant. And with my cousins, there are only three or four of us who do not have kids. One couple because they don't want any, another because they are infertile as well, and my younger cousins, but they are too young for children! (I hope they don't have children any time soon or I'll be really down in the dumps!! ) Anyways, it just seems so unfair for all of us to have to deal with this pooh!

Lol 80's haird dos. I like to call it the Bear Hair!! Ha ha!!

[Koshveily]

My eye is twitching just a little... Jen and Heidi, you remember that coworker that I spoke of when we met at Cheers? Ooh, it got ugly.

Finally had it with her innappropriate comments to the children and her lack of professionalism at work and i reported her... well, my boss threw me under the bus, told her I said it, and she has been nothing but nasty to me ever since. She almost lost her job because of it... a small part of me wishes I had never said anything... but children are my life... not just my students... all children. Bottom line, children trump friendship, family, or any other relationship... and if you cross that line in front of me, there will be repercussions... so I know I did the right thing.

Now it's just getting rediculous- I've had more adult fights than this in HIGH SCHOOL... she gets on myspace, fills out this survey bulletin thing, and answers the question, "What was the last thing that made you angry?" with "Ick, my annoying coworker, ugh, how many days until she leaves? 19?" (My last day at the daycare is the 17th... I put in my notice to go further my education.) I responded, "Actually, it's 13."

My whole body wants to say horrible things to and about her... and the fact that she's knocked up... but I just can't bring myself to do it. I want to hurt her as badly as she's hurt me... and still, there's nothing.

(As little background knowledge of this woman for those of you just joining this conversation... she was a person that I confided in when we were both going through IF treatments... and when she got pregnant, I was uber supportive and excited for her... for the last three months, however, things have gone down hill with her... she's rude to anyone and everyone and blames it on the fact that she's pregnant which, of course, justifies her obnoxious behavior. She's positively hateful to kids at the daycare that she has "no use for," her words, not mine. She's spineless, two-faced, and ignorant. She avoids other women desperately trying to have children through IF treatments, "like the plague," because she just wants to "have a normal pregnancy that she can just enjoy without ever dealing with IF again." Like that has anything to do with how normal her pregnancy is. Finally, after ranting about how disgusting she has been to her husband for over an hour, and LAUGHING about it, I voiced how I didn't believe pregnancy can make you THAT horrid, and she said, "Well, IF you ever get pregnant, you'll know what it's like." *twitch, twitch*

IF is hard enough as it is... why must humans like this exist? I want to hate her, bad-mouth her, and cut her down like she's done to me... the only thing stopping me is that I wouldn't wish what happened to me or any of you on anyone... not even her.

[Angelwithhope]

Ugg Shelly! She sounds like a real piece of work! I too wish people like her didn't exsist. Can I come say nasty things to her for you? No that probably wouldn't get anythign through to her, would it?! And I agree, pregnancy and hormones are no excuse to be nasty to people. I hate those kinds of people who get pregnant and then think the world should revolve around them and think that the world stops turning because they're pregnant. How ridiculous! Just because a person is pregnant does not give them any right to treat another person badly!

I have a forum site where I talk with some friends about IF. Well one of them is now PG (She is not an IF person though, they tried for aonly a few months!) anyways, since becoming pregnant she says I talk about our struggles with IF too much...which makes me wonder....ummm how do I stop talking about somethign that is part of my every day life and why the hell does she think I should stop talking about my struggles!

Anyways sorry got way off track!! Anyways, thankfully you are moving on to explore better career options. She sounds like a twit of a girl and a useless tart, but I can't really honestly totally comment!! I'm sorry you have to do deal with such a person!

[Koshveily]

Bottom line, Shawna, I really think she's just mad that I'll be a "real teacher" and she's just a babysitter.

Shazaam, that felt good.