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Old 01-14-2009, 12:25 PM
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Show me your Estrogen values and I'll predict outcome

I found this website: Monitoring in vitro fertilization (IVF) cycles listing information from the 1980s - CHECK IT OUT. Interesting read. Anyway, there's an equation to predict pregnancy outcome based on the rate of estrogen growth. I figured out how to do the equation and I'm anxious to see if it works. If you want me to predict outcomes of past and current cycles, just list your E2 levels and the days of stim up to trigger. Here's an example of mine:
Day E2
6 444
9 1216
11 2761
12 4635 trigger My value came out as 0.46 which is out of range (positive range is 0.31 to 0.41), which resulted in a BFN. Just something to think about.

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Old 01-14-2009, 12:39 PM
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Can you figure these I don't have mine for today (day 11) of stims.
7-865
9-2170
thanks!!
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Me 33 -Polyps (removed 10/2008)
DH 30 O%morphology,low motility and low count

8/24 Hysteroscopy
1/2 us/bw started no cysts, 13 follies, estrogen less than 20, FSH-3.57, LH-2.17
1/3 started sims 300 HMG
1/7-Lining 3.1, estrogen-385, 11 follies
1/8-300mg HMG and start ganirelix
1/9-estrogen 875, 11 follies
1/12-20++++follies, estrogen 2170
1/14 20+++follies, estrogen 5974 TRIGGER @8pm
1/16 ER, 15 retrieved, 12 mature, 8 fertilized
1/21-Transferred 2 blasts with one to freeze
01/30
Waiting for cycle to start IVF #2
IVF #2
02/08-Started BCP
02/18 Dialation in office
2/21 Last bcp
2/25 baseline us/bw E2-25 Progesterone-1.1
Start 75 HMG
3/10-ER 12 retrieved, 10 mature and 9 fertilized
3/15-ET 2 great blasts (5 frozen with one left from last cycle = 6 frozen embies)
3/20-HCG 3.4
3/21-Hcg 69.3
3/23-Hcg 194
325-Hcg 558
3/27-Hcg 1,683 17po/12dpt
4/3- 1st u/s saw 2 gest acs with 2 yolk sacs hcg- 20,254, prog-65, e2-2061
4/10 2 Hearts beating away!!
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Old 01-14-2009, 12:39 PM
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I already know what my result is. Let's test this out. Is this what you need to know
11/27 start stims
day 5 E2 923
day 7 E2 2042
day 9 E2 3800
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DH- 31 Less than 1 million
Son (6/15/07)- nc
9/08- Started w/RE
IUI- Not an option due to low, low sperm count
IVF-1st
11/21 started Lupron
11/28 start stims (1 Menopur and 3 Bravelle)
12/1 bw & us E2 923 Day 4
12/3 bw & us E2 2042 Day 6
12/5 bw & us E2 3800 Day 8
12/8 ER- 29 eggs- 28 fertilized ICSI
12/13 ET- 2 blasts transferred
12/20, 12/21, 12/22- +hpt
12/23 Beta ++ 630
12/29 Beta 7140
1/9 US- TWINS
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Old 01-14-2009, 12:48 PM
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RDW: with 2 numbers it's hard to get a nice curve, but with those 2 it's 0.58. If I put in 3000 for day 11, it's 0.36, if I put in 4000 it's 0.46

jjc: I get a number of 0.42 rounding up, it's .419 so pretty close (positive range is 0.31-0.41)

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Old 01-14-2009, 12:56 PM
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Samantha-- can you do mine?

cyle 1
day 4 365
day 6 1131
day 8 2015
day 9 2414

cycle 2
day 4 320
day 6 742
day 8 1525
day 9 1982


Thanks so much!
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DH (40; normal)

IVF #1 - July 08
Antagonist protocol: 337.5iu Gonal F & Ganirelix
only 4 follicles; cancelled & converted to IUI on 7/18


IVF #1.5 - Oct 08
Antagonist protocol: 600iu Gonal F & Ganirelix
ER 10/13 - 11 eggs; 5 mature & ICSIed; 4 fertilized
ET 10/17 (4 day) - 2 morulae; 2 frozen
beta 10/31

IVF #2 - Jan 09
Antagonist protocol: 450iu Gonal F & Ganirelix
ER 1/12 - 8 eggs; 4 mature & ICSIed; 3 fertilized
ET 1/15 (3day) - 3 morulae
beta 1/29

IVF #3 - April 09
Microdose lupron protocol: 20units twice a day (4/7) + 450iu Gonal F (4/9)
ER 4/21 - 8 eggs; 5 mature & ICSIed; 1 fertilized
ET 4/24 - 3 transferred: 1 fresh plus 2 thawed from Oct 08 cycle
beta 5/8 AGAIN!!

******Finally changing RE******

7/17 one day workup at CCRM

ER 9/12 - 12 eggs; 9 mature & ICSIed; 7 fertilized
9/18 - FOUR blasts!! (never had blasts before)
Microarray testing being performed on blasts; results expected in six weeks
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Old 01-14-2009, 12:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cobiker
RDW: with 2 numbers it's hard to get a nice curve, but with those 2 it's 0.58. If I put in 3000 for day 11, it's 0.36, if I put in 4000 it's 0.46

jjc: I get a number of 0.42 rounding up, it's .419 so pretty close (positive range is 0.31-0.41)

You will have to do a chart and see how accurate it is. I am positively pregnant.
Thanks for the interesting study.
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Me- 30 textbook perfect per RE
DH- 31 Less than 1 million
Son (6/15/07)- nc
9/08- Started w/RE
IUI- Not an option due to low, low sperm count
IVF-1st
11/21 started Lupron
11/28 start stims (1 Menopur and 3 Bravelle)
12/1 bw & us E2 923 Day 4
12/3 bw & us E2 2042 Day 6
12/5 bw & us E2 3800 Day 8
12/8 ER- 29 eggs- 28 fertilized ICSI
12/13 ET- 2 blasts transferred
12/20, 12/21, 12/22- +hpt
12/23 Beta ++ 630
12/29 Beta 7140
1/9 US- TWINS
Due date 8/31/09 BOYS!
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:03 PM
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You will have to do a chart and see how accurate it is. I am positively pregnant.
Thanks for the interesting study.

I also actually had my days wrong. I forgot they started me a day later on stims. Does that matter?
day 4 E2 923
day 6 E2 2042
day 8 E2 3800
They didn't give me my last E2 which was day 9
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Me- 30 textbook perfect per RE
DH- 31 Less than 1 million
Son (6/15/07)- nc
9/08- Started w/RE
IUI- Not an option due to low, low sperm count
IVF-1st
11/21 started Lupron
11/28 start stims (1 Menopur and 3 Bravelle)
12/1 bw & us E2 923 Day 4
12/3 bw & us E2 2042 Day 6
12/5 bw & us E2 3800 Day 8
12/8 ER- 29 eggs- 28 fertilized ICSI
12/13 ET- 2 blasts transferred
12/20, 12/21, 12/22- +hpt
12/23 Beta ++ 630
12/29 Beta 7140
1/9 US- TWINS
Due date 8/31/09 BOYS!
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:16 PM
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Okitoki: 1st cycle is .45 and 2nd cycle is .44

jjc- no the days do not matter, just the time in between E2 readings, but if I put in 5200 for your day 9, it drops to 0.40.. wow, I didn't think it would change that much.

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Old 01-14-2009, 01:23 PM
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Quote:
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Okitoki: 1st cycle is .45 and 2nd cycle is .44

Interesting. Cycle 1 = IVF 1.5 in my signature and was a BFN and Cycle 2 = IVF 2 --- which I am right in the middle of. I will keep you posted.
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Me (38; Hashimoto's thyroiditis & DOR)
DH (40; normal)

IVF #1 - July 08
Antagonist protocol: 337.5iu Gonal F & Ganirelix
only 4 follicles; cancelled & converted to IUI on 7/18


IVF #1.5 - Oct 08
Antagonist protocol: 600iu Gonal F & Ganirelix
ER 10/13 - 11 eggs; 5 mature & ICSIed; 4 fertilized
ET 10/17 (4 day) - 2 morulae; 2 frozen
beta 10/31

IVF #2 - Jan 09
Antagonist protocol: 450iu Gonal F & Ganirelix
ER 1/12 - 8 eggs; 4 mature & ICSIed; 3 fertilized
ET 1/15 (3day) - 3 morulae
beta 1/29

IVF #3 - April 09
Microdose lupron protocol: 20units twice a day (4/7) + 450iu Gonal F (4/9)
ER 4/21 - 8 eggs; 5 mature & ICSIed; 1 fertilized
ET 4/24 - 3 transferred: 1 fresh plus 2 thawed from Oct 08 cycle
beta 5/8 AGAIN!!

******Finally changing RE******

7/17 one day workup at CCRM

ER 9/12 - 12 eggs; 9 mature & ICSIed; 7 fertilized
9/18 - FOUR blasts!! (never had blasts before)
Microarray testing being performed on blasts; results expected in six weeks
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:43 PM
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That is really neat. I have my E2 levels at home. i will put them up later from my 1st IVF.
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TTC #2 since 7/07
2/08-11/09- 7 IUI's, IVF, FET-
5/2009- foster/adopt process started
1/2010- final approval, we are just waiting!
2/23/10- IT'S A GIRL! Gabriella (aka Abby) Elizabeth 7 lb. 1 oz.
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:46 PM
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Hi Sam,

I dont have my numbers from last cycle.

Can you send me the spreadsheet u use.

Thanks
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DH: 32 yrs and Perfect
Trying since 1/1/2007

IVF#I: 12/31 Beta
I/VF#2:
ER - 2/9/2009
ET - 2/12/2009

Delivered Via Emergency C Section at 24 weeks on 7/17/09. Lost my twin girls on7/18/09

Back to square 1.

IVF#3:
ER:2/1/2010 7 eggs, 3 fertilized
ET:2/4/2010 All Grade 2 1-8 cell,2 4-cell.
8dp3dt HPT:
11dp3dt HPT

IVF#4
ER: 4/27/2010
ET: 4/30/2010 Transferred 2, 1 grade 1 8 cell and 1 grade 2 4 cell
Beta is on 5/11/2010
Beta:92.6
Next Beta 5/13 (thursday) = 179
Did not exactly double. Next beta monday morning.5/17/2010. It should be around 720
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:46 PM
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Here are my E2 values:

Day 5 - 282
Day 7 - 498
Day 9 - 1001
Day 11 - 1650

Thanks!
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DH - 36 - low normal count

TTC since July 2006
5/07 - normal HSG
6/17/08 - FSH 7.6
6 IUI's - all neg (one unmedicated, 3 with Clomid, 2 with Repronex)

IVF #1
IVF#2 - Estrogen Priming Protocol
3/25 - ER - 7 eggs, 6 fertilized
3/28 - ET - three 8 cells - two A's and one B; froze 4 BB and 5 BC
4/4 - positive HPT 7dp3dt
4/8 - 14 dpER Beta 435; 16dpER Beta 1261
4/28 - u/s TWINS
7/21/09 - Two Girls!!

11/12/09 - Rylee Alexis born at 11:15 am 4 lb 13 oz and Raegan Grace born at 11:17 am weighing 5 lb 15 oz
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:42 PM
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I just got day 11 it is 5974
THANKS
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Me 33 -Polyps (removed 10/2008)
DH 30 O%morphology,low motility and low count

8/24 Hysteroscopy
1/2 us/bw started no cysts, 13 follies, estrogen less than 20, FSH-3.57, LH-2.17
1/3 started sims 300 HMG
1/7-Lining 3.1, estrogen-385, 11 follies
1/8-300mg HMG and start ganirelix
1/9-estrogen 875, 11 follies
1/12-20++++follies, estrogen 2170
1/14 20+++follies, estrogen 5974 TRIGGER @8pm
1/16 ER, 15 retrieved, 12 mature, 8 fertilized
1/21-Transferred 2 blasts with one to freeze
01/30
Waiting for cycle to start IVF #2
IVF #2
02/08-Started BCP
02/18 Dialation in office
2/21 Last bcp
2/25 baseline us/bw E2-25 Progesterone-1.1
Start 75 HMG
3/10-ER 12 retrieved, 10 mature and 9 fertilized
3/15-ET 2 great blasts (5 frozen with one left from last cycle = 6 frozen embies)
3/20-HCG 3.4
3/21-Hcg 69.3
3/23-Hcg 194
325-Hcg 558
3/27-Hcg 1,683 17po/12dpt
4/3- 1st u/s saw 2 gest acs with 2 yolk sacs hcg- 20,254, prog-65, e2-2061
4/10 2 Hearts beating away!!
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:51 PM
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Mine are...

Day 1-34
Day 3-76
Day 5-184
Day 7-442
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1/16 Triggered
1/18 ER-3 eggs from 2 follicles
1/19 Fert Report...all 3 miracle eggies fertilized (ICSI) they all develop well
1/21 2 Embies transferred, 1 discarded
2/2 1st Beta- Beta 333
2/6 2nd Beta-1240
2/10 3rd Beta-5632
2/17 U/S #1-2 Perfect Sacs
3/4 U/S #2--Baby A (176 bpm) and B (171 bpm) both measuring 8w5d
3/17 U/S #3 Baby A & B are both measuring normal and are total wiggleworms Graduated to OB.
4/2 U/S #4 Baby A (154 bpm) Baby B (140 bpm)
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Old 01-14-2009, 04:53 PM
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Shiela- your number is .34- one of the best patterns I've seen so far.

Robyn- yours is .62, your numbers show a very exponential pattern, whereas Shiela's is more linear. Wow- you must have a lot of follies! YEAH! Remember, this is just an experiment, all in fun.

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